I am so grateful for Peter B, Robert P, Bernard H in this fraught existential crisis where attack/defence seems the primary or only mode considered. Without an alternative we are lost. At every level, in domestic and intl politics this combative mode has to be counterbalanced with ways of collaboration, and these are not mutually exclusive with reasonable defence and survival, and in fact are likely to ensure them. The AUKUS focus is primarily focussing on combat and defence, the Coalition main focus is competitive with its own citizens! for short term profits with long term negative consequences. It is overall childish. Where you have some, not all, lawyers, politicians(our defence min is both) and, 'pure capitalists' and bankers conditioned to fight and win, they can be untrusting of, or can't imagine, anything else. These people make the decisions, and need reconditioning, reward eg by intl accolade for finding mutually beneficial solutions, or seeing how they benefit from them eg re water, food, energy, health, climate, cyberbullying et al, in short a future for our younger generations rather than the mutual destruction we are arguably approaching otherwise. These decision makers also need negative reinforcement, eg by exposure, and demonstration of breach of International law.
The UN is flawed but must by us be hugely supported eg the largely respected ICJ, in its delivering a good clear professional determination when S Africa made an appeal re Gaza, as it links diverse geopolitical groups and helps create trust and resolution, and the Security Council is much better than nothing. Both are there ostensibly to support values of mutual respect and international law.
NZ could lead the way in creating this shift, addressing common challenges, as Jacinda has and does to a degree. The future could be much more exciting. A different dialogue could help undermine weaponisation of fear, so useful for nasty players, engender some trust at least, maybe even persuade Americans not to vote for Trump ..
Not sure how fast conditioning occurs,? food. Maybe reward Luxon and co with lobster each time they voice something large minded
Thank you and I will share your note with Bernard and Robert. We try to keep things civil. (For what it is worth, I was at something recently where a person said we needed to think about the motives of those who wish us to ignore or despise media.)
Regarding the apparent discontent with Netenyahu as the leader of a vile country committing a cruel and brutal genocide, do you have any insight on how the Israeli citizenry feel about it? Also I’m a bit confused about the presumption that genocide Joe is frustrated with Bibi. Hasn’t he just sent an arms shipment of 2000 lb bombs, the most destructive of any, to further butcher what’s left of the Gazan people?
Do you think the msm media sources you use to underpin your article really have any credibility or are they engaging in propaganda cover for Israel’s genocide against the Palestinians, bless their beautiful souls. From the river to the sea Palestine will be free.
Thanks David. My take is that much of the Israeli citizenry support what is happening and that the Israeli media, apart from Haaretz, is not really focused on what is happening inside Gaza. The fact Israel is trying to stop Al Jazeera inside Israel says something. Naturally, they are also focused on the situation of the remaining hostages. I don't think it is an assumption that Joe is frustrated, the latest statements overnight make that pretty clear. He also invested an immense amount of political capital by going there so quickly after October 7 in his "hug Bibi strategy. I try to choose sources for everything I post that are reputable and have solid policies on corrections and so on, not propaganda unless I explicitly say so.
Always sensible to think of motives. ?Trump?Peters. Calculated populism. I suspect though the motives may often be fear and greed, not wanting to have ideas challenged, and other manifestations of primal needs not being met or similar sad pathology, certainly not getting excited by it or thinking it necessary for real insight and solutions. Attributing blame doesn't cut through. I was thinking Freudian 'oral' phase in which many/?most of us lurk a lot. Journos are often real adults, rather brave, with lots of satisfying frontal lobe activity.
PS Re reconditioning MPs .. the most potent driver of creative thinking and production isn't carrot or stick but inherent pleasure and maybe power in imagining, planning, realising great 'product' or solution.. The book 'Drive' describes this well.. Tricky. May assume maturity.
"But the point is that when John Hamre briefed me, and gave me the three key points of this change, there are a lot of unanswered questions. He assured me that in discussions that he had had with people like Bill Gates and Gerstner from IBM that there would be, kind of a, I don't know whether it's a, unstated ability to get access to systems if we needed it. Now, I want to know if that is part of the policy, or is that just something that we are being assured of, that needs to be spoke. Because, if there is some kind of a tacit understanding, I would like to know what it is."
Even if you could "wipe out a terrorist group", this will only result in a new one in its place. It is impossible to wipe out an ideological movement and by trying, the Israeli and US governments are basically ensuring that many of those left alive will pledge to Hamas' (or whoever replaces them) cause.
I think it's important to remember why such incredibly educated leaders think this is possible. Do they really think they can wipe out a terrorist group, when all of history shows this is impossible? Or are there possibly other motivations at play (perhaps oil, land, and the annihilation of entire group of peoples)
Zionist terrorists started the war through ethnic cleansing murder and illegal colonisation of Palestine starting in the early 20th century with help from the UK, continuing to this current genocide most recently with massive help from the US courtesy of wealthy immoral Israeli lobbyists and doggy as F msm. Of Peter would know all about this.
Your obviously lacking any context of the situation.
"Adam is joined by Nathan Thrall, a Jerusalem-based journalist, former Director of the Arab-Israeli Project at the International Crisis Group, and one of the leading experts on the conflict in Gaza."
"Belfast is only 52 sq miles & after all the decades they were there & all the walls & compulsory searches, the British army were not able to secure the area."
"I've had similar arguments for decades.
Without a credible end plan the result will be same SNAFU.""
I think Alon Mizrahi's utube vid with Owen Jones is very good and explains how Zionism is terrible for the Jews too. And excellent commentator on the war crimes currently being committed in Gaza who absolutely understand the Israeli political landscape. As someone who worked in human rights since the 90s I was hoping that we would have given up murdering each other by now but I guess there's a lot of money for the owners of munitions factories aye. I am very much hoping that the UN and ICC would be setting up a prep com for a full Tribunal in The Hague but I haven't heard anything yet. Anyone else? I was there during the ICTY and it was important and powerful to put those leaders on trial.
I am so grateful for Peter B, Robert P, Bernard H in this fraught existential crisis where attack/defence seems the primary or only mode considered. Without an alternative we are lost. At every level, in domestic and intl politics this combative mode has to be counterbalanced with ways of collaboration, and these are not mutually exclusive with reasonable defence and survival, and in fact are likely to ensure them. The AUKUS focus is primarily focussing on combat and defence, the Coalition main focus is competitive with its own citizens! for short term profits with long term negative consequences. It is overall childish. Where you have some, not all, lawyers, politicians(our defence min is both) and, 'pure capitalists' and bankers conditioned to fight and win, they can be untrusting of, or can't imagine, anything else. These people make the decisions, and need reconditioning, reward eg by intl accolade for finding mutually beneficial solutions, or seeing how they benefit from them eg re water, food, energy, health, climate, cyberbullying et al, in short a future for our younger generations rather than the mutual destruction we are arguably approaching otherwise. These decision makers also need negative reinforcement, eg by exposure, and demonstration of breach of International law.
The UN is flawed but must by us be hugely supported eg the largely respected ICJ, in its delivering a good clear professional determination when S Africa made an appeal re Gaza, as it links diverse geopolitical groups and helps create trust and resolution, and the Security Council is much better than nothing. Both are there ostensibly to support values of mutual respect and international law.
NZ could lead the way in creating this shift, addressing common challenges, as Jacinda has and does to a degree. The future could be much more exciting. A different dialogue could help undermine weaponisation of fear, so useful for nasty players, engender some trust at least, maybe even persuade Americans not to vote for Trump ..
Not sure how fast conditioning occurs,? food. Maybe reward Luxon and co with lobster each time they voice something large minded
Thank you and I will share your note with Bernard and Robert. We try to keep things civil. (For what it is worth, I was at something recently where a person said we needed to think about the motives of those who wish us to ignore or despise media.)
Good points Mary. We could stand on front door step and clap for good behaviour
Regarding the apparent discontent with Netenyahu as the leader of a vile country committing a cruel and brutal genocide, do you have any insight on how the Israeli citizenry feel about it? Also I’m a bit confused about the presumption that genocide Joe is frustrated with Bibi. Hasn’t he just sent an arms shipment of 2000 lb bombs, the most destructive of any, to further butcher what’s left of the Gazan people?
Do you think the msm media sources you use to underpin your article really have any credibility or are they engaging in propaganda cover for Israel’s genocide against the Palestinians, bless their beautiful souls. From the river to the sea Palestine will be free.
Thanks David. My take is that much of the Israeli citizenry support what is happening and that the Israeli media, apart from Haaretz, is not really focused on what is happening inside Gaza. The fact Israel is trying to stop Al Jazeera inside Israel says something. Naturally, they are also focused on the situation of the remaining hostages. I don't think it is an assumption that Joe is frustrated, the latest statements overnight make that pretty clear. He also invested an immense amount of political capital by going there so quickly after October 7 in his "hug Bibi strategy. I try to choose sources for everything I post that are reputable and have solid policies on corrections and so on, not propaganda unless I explicitly say so.
Always sensible to think of motives. ?Trump?Peters. Calculated populism. I suspect though the motives may often be fear and greed, not wanting to have ideas challenged, and other manifestations of primal needs not being met or similar sad pathology, certainly not getting excited by it or thinking it necessary for real insight and solutions. Attributing blame doesn't cut through. I was thinking Freudian 'oral' phase in which many/?most of us lurk a lot. Journos are often real adults, rather brave, with lots of satisfying frontal lobe activity.
PS Re reconditioning MPs .. the most potent driver of creative thinking and production isn't carrot or stick but inherent pleasure and maybe power in imagining, planning, realising great 'product' or solution.. The book 'Drive' describes this well.. Tricky. May assume maturity.
I see Peter Bale works for CNN - that says it all!!!
No idea what that means. I don't any more though. If it is some sort of thing about "MSM" then I guess we have to differ.
http://www.techlawjournal.com/cong106/encrypt/19990928a.htm#weldon1
"But the point is that when John Hamre briefed me, and gave me the three key points of this change, there are a lot of unanswered questions. He assured me that in discussions that he had had with people like Bill Gates and Gerstner from IBM that there would be, kind of a, I don't know whether it's a, unstated ability to get access to systems if we needed it. Now, I want to know if that is part of the policy, or is that just something that we are being assured of, that needs to be spoke. Because, if there is some kind of a tacit understanding, I would like to know what it is."
Also Stuxnet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dobTyPKccMA
Even if you could "wipe out a terrorist group", this will only result in a new one in its place. It is impossible to wipe out an ideological movement and by trying, the Israeli and US governments are basically ensuring that many of those left alive will pledge to Hamas' (or whoever replaces them) cause.
I think it's important to remember why such incredibly educated leaders think this is possible. Do they really think they can wipe out a terrorist group, when all of history shows this is impossible? Or are there possibly other motivations at play (perhaps oil, land, and the annihilation of entire group of peoples)
Īt started in the shifting sands of history and I'm not aware of any terrorist group that has ever been bombed out of existing.
This war began long before 7 October 2023. Who started it, and who will finish it, are both debatable.
http://www.whale.to/b/Pappe,%20The%20Ethnic%20Cleansing%20of%20Palestine.pdf
https://imeu.org/article/explainer-plan-dalet-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine
Zionist terrorists started the war through ethnic cleansing murder and illegal colonisation of Palestine starting in the early 20th century with help from the UK, continuing to this current genocide most recently with massive help from the US courtesy of wealthy immoral Israeli lobbyists and doggy as F msm. Of Peter would know all about this.
"Doggy as F msm"? Woof woof.
Your obviously lacking any context of the situation.
"Adam is joined by Nathan Thrall, a Jerusalem-based journalist, former Director of the Arab-Israeli Project at the International Crisis Group, and one of the leading experts on the conflict in Gaza."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xflb7C8x2IY
https://bsky.app/profile/nzheretic.bsky.social/post/3kd5qskiled2n
"The online arguments seem so similar:
"Belfast is only 52 sq miles & after all the decades they were there & all the walls & compulsory searches, the British army were not able to secure the area."
"I've had similar arguments for decades.
Without a credible end plan the result will be same SNAFU.""
I think Alon Mizrahi's utube vid with Owen Jones is very good and explains how Zionism is terrible for the Jews too. And excellent commentator on the war crimes currently being committed in Gaza who absolutely understand the Israeli political landscape. As someone who worked in human rights since the 90s I was hoping that we would have given up murdering each other by now but I guess there's a lot of money for the owners of munitions factories aye. I am very much hoping that the UN and ICC would be setting up a prep com for a full Tribunal in The Hague but I haven't heard anything yet. Anyone else? I was there during the ICTY and it was important and powerful to put those leaders on trial.